1.3 million people tuned into the first hour of Taylor Swift’s podcast appearance. That’s nearly twice as many that initially tuned into Trump’s appearance on Joe Rogan’s podcast. Trump, who had a nine-month headstart, has more overall listeners, but Swift’s appearance is catching up quickly.

Many more people watched the first hour of Swift’s interview on the Kelce brothers’ ‘New Heights’ podcast than clicked on Trump’s interview with Rogan in the weeks

Taylor Swift used an appearance on her boyfriend's podcast to reveal the album cover to her next record, “The Life of a Showgirl.”